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maggiebones
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 Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Help with SF? |
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I just came across this pic in my files. I meant to post this before. There was not much to be done here. But I would like to know how to do these insta strikes. I understand that it has to do with combos, but beyond that I would really like this explained please.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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Well, to make that particular attack...
It's a 2x8, a 2x12 and a 2xn. What probably happened is they had three 2x4 blocks, and made a double on the first, triple on the second and bingo on the third. It's relatively simple to set something like that up:
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r by
RRBBGG
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upper case = block
lower case = breaker
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whether or not you can get all the right blocks and breakers is another matter 
Note that this particular attack only has a 50% chance of all three swords hitting, due to the way the swords are placed. The blocks are placed randomly in the order they are broken, and will only do in column 4 if they have to.
In the example above, the first sword (2x8) has a 33% chance to land in columns 1-2, 2-3, or 5-6. (can't land in 3-4 or 4-5.)
If it lands in 1-2, the other sword must land in 5-6, leaving room for the last sword in 3-4.
In 2-3, the other sword must land in 5-6, leaving no more room.
In 5-6, the other sword can land in 1-2 or 2-3, thus having a 50% chance of leaving room for the last sword.
So, if you want to insta, a 2-wide followed by a 3-wide is a much better strategy (see if you can work out why!)
Two three-wides are even better, but rather hard to set up most of the time.
An effective insta strategy is to build a 3x3 and a 2x2 as fast as you can, and set up a combo so that it doubles the 2x2 and triples the 3x3. It's not enough to kill someone with an empty board, but it might if they're still building. If their right side is nearly empty though, it's a good idea to either add another step to the combo or another layer to the 3-wide block, to make a 3x12 attack.
This strategy seems to be very popular at high levels, it's the one i see used by ults the most often.
Example:
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To turn that into a bigger strike, you could do this:
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bY
yg
BBY
BBY
RRR
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Note that you should always try to make combos that can be set off with blocks, not breakers. You're much more likely to be able to set them off that way.
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maggiebones
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Wow that was a great explanation. Thanks bunches...
/e gives Kharnor some rum or root beer and cookies (dark side of course)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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lol maggie might have understood it, but i'm still lost - i can never seem to build correctly for large breaks. so rather then screw myself and die, i just break when i get the opportunity to do so. XD
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| ara wrote: | | lol maggie might have understood it, but i'm still lost - i can never seem to build correctly for large breaks. so rather then screw myself and die, i just break when i get the opportunity to do so. XD |
I'm trying to improve my strategy. I really appreciate this little explanation of Kharnor's.
Inanna always tells me I need to get better at sf. I need to actually plan instead of playing with a "strategy" similar to Ara's. Although that "strategy" has occasionally resulted in (accidental) instas of ult-sfers.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think the best things I've been told about SF, is something Foil said:
| Quote: | | "Always know what you're going to build before you start." |
If you know that, you can't really go wrong. If you think, "Oh, I'll just make it up as I go along!", you usually booch lots. As you SF more, you begin to be able to use every breaker effectively. You may be able to turn a, what would normally be a Bingo, in the same time you could build a Vegas with the same pieces, just by using breaker placement.
I can go into more depth if you'd like.. I could even do a video.  Just need to find a good ScreenCapture program.. And I'm pretty sure Khar could do a better job than Sweet could.. But anyway, let me know. 
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Kharnor said exactly what I would've said, so I'm just going to add something he missed. In Maggie's screenshot of the 3 2xN swords (Meaning two blocks in width, varying number (N) in height), you can never do that as your opening attack. You're just wasting your time if you build 3 2xN at the start of a match. Why? The first strike of the match (Whether it's by you or your opponent) goes down columns 2-3. So the first will go in 2-3, the second in 5-6 (Remember, it wants to avoid column 4 at all cost), and the third attack has nowhere to go (Only columns 1 and 4 are open), so the third 2xN is wasted.
As for the combo of a 2xN followed by a 3xN -- this is better, as Kharnor stated, because you have a 66.7% chance of getting an insta (Provided the 3xN is tall enough). Here's why: The 2xN will drop first since you broke it first. Now, it will either drop in 1-2, 2-3, or 5-6. (Again, it will avoid column 4). If it falls in 1-2, your 3xN will either fall in 3-4-5 or 4-5-6. Either way, the 3xN is hitting column 4 which is the column you need to hit to insta someone. If the 2xN falls in 2-3, the 3xN will fall in 4-5-6, resulting in the same outcome (Insta if it's tall enough). But if the 2xN falls in 5-6, the 3xN will only fall in 1-2-3, so it won't be an insta...
As for the two 3xNs: That's a 100% insta provided the second 3xN is tall enough (At least 13 blocks high to be safe). Why? The first 3xN will always fall in 1-2-3 because it wants to avoid column 4. And since the only spot for the other 3xN to fall is 4-5-6, it will fall there and result in an insta (Again, provided it is tall enough).
Those of you that are lost about the columns: As you have noticed, there are only 6 columns you can drop a block into. They are counted from the left. In Maggie's screenshot, the farthest left sword is in columns 1 and 2, so you'd say that strike fell in "1-2". The middle one is in "3-4" and far right is in "5-6". That's all that notation means.
Anyways, just having the theory background isn't enough to be a master of instas, but you need to know the theory behind it in order to put it into practice.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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the attack you see on maggies screen shot is easy..
you got to do a triple 2x5 double 2x2 and a 2x2
then you got that attack
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| Faldrok wrote: | | you can never do that as your opening attack. You're just wasting your time if you build 3 2xN at the start of a match. Why? The first strike of the match (Whether it's by you or your opponent) goes down columns 2-3. So the first will go in 2-3, the second in 5-6 (Remember, it wants to avoid column 4 at all cost), and the third attack has nowhere to go (Only columns 1 and 4 are open), so the third 2xN is wasted. |
Not true. Maybe the two 2xn's, but it's definitely possible to build a 3 sword insta for your opener.
I can show you if you like. I'll get Alt back out and show you.
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Sorry about double post, but here you go Fald. This isn't really plausible in a match, but you never know. And it works all the time for me!
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These screen-shots are great Sweet, especially in your other thread.
I just hope you're being careful with sword-fighting your own alts. As a general warning to everyone, if you're doing a challenge-match against one of your alts for practice (to see how different attacks appear, etc.) make sure the game is unrated.
For reference (that's two links there)
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| Korr wrote: | These screen-shots are great Sweet, especially in your other thread.
I just hope you're being careful with sword-fighting your own alts. As a general warning to everyone, if you're doing a challenge-match against one of your alts for practice (to see how different attacks appear, etc.) make sure the game is unrated.
For reference (that's two links there) |
Yeah, I have been doing it Unrated. Thanks a lot Korr.
I've seen what happens to people Alt abusing. The recent #1 SFer's (Not mentioning names) Got their SF put back down to Novice/Able and a temp ban.
So not good.
But thanks for reminding me.
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Sweetman2 wrote: | | But thanks for reminding me. |
I figured you knew Sweet, I mainly wanted to make sure that all of our sword-fight-practicing crewbies knew.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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Sweet, explain to me how your screenshot is three 2xN strikes. Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but you can't send 3 2xN strikes (After calculation -- singles on 2x2 don't count here as it sends a 1x4...not a 2xN) to your opponent as an opener. I'm talking about single a block, double a 2x2, triple a 2x2 and bingo a 2x2. That will not work as an opening attack. Later in the match? Sure, if you get lucky with the columns it falls in as shown on Maggie's screen, but three 2xNs is a lot riskier than just sending a 2xN and a 3xN or just send two 2xNs and just fill up their screen and let them kill themselves.
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I agree that you can't build three 2xn swords for an opener (As you said earlier because of placement), but it's definitely possible to send a 3 sword insta on your opener with two of the swords being 2xn's. Sorry for any confusion, but I was really just pointing out that you can three sword insta as your opener.
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